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Snook Hunter
Advanced Member (Temoleh Level)
Malaysia
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 Posted - 08/27/2009 : 13:28:41
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Guys
Could it be the inferior Spider Wire you lost your lures with is an imitation? If Power Pro is imitated so could Spider Wire. The thing is how could we tell the difference? |
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philmuscle
Advanced Member (Temoleh Level)
Malaysia
2926 Posts |
Posted - 08/27/2009 : 14:41:03
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LOTM bro,
Do ask for me when you come. We go for tea.
Fish & Fish yet catch & release.
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philmuscle
Advanced Member (Temoleh Level)
Malaysia
2926 Posts |
Posted - 08/27/2009 : 14:49:14
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Ek bro.... hehehe... good one.
Fish & Fish yet catch & release.
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philmuscle
Advanced Member (Temoleh Level)
Malaysia
2926 Posts |
Posted - 08/27/2009 : 15:28:39
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Just some knowledge for all especially newbies on why sometimes the line snaps while the lure is mid-air.
This happens to many anglers especially if one has fished long enough. The reason for lines breaking in such fashion could be due to a few reasons.
A.
This I've done in my earlier fishing days and do see many anglers still practicing till today. When the lure/bait gets snagged and the angler does not have a lure retriever (a must have to save snagged lures at least 80% of the time) he or she sometimes pull hard using the rod and reel to free the snagged bait or break the line.
What happens is that it takes some effort and pressure before the bait (hook) comes free or line burst. During this time the lines in the spool actually digs into the rest of the line in the spool and in the process damaging the first few layer of lines (braided lines do cut).
Subsequent cast after the incident could cause the line to snap in mid air. The lure is suppose to fly through the air carrying free flowing meters and meters of lines. The reason for it to snap is when this free flow is suddenly stopped for a few tents of a second creating extra pressure on already weakened lines.
B.
Another reason is due to fighting a fish especially a big one. The angler has to ensure constant pressure on the fish and sometimes this pressure weakens the lines (especially when the drag is locked almost dead). This causes the same problems as in A.
C.
Abrasion will weakened lines no mater what type or brand. Even steel lines will succumb to abrasions. There is always a good chance of line snapping due to abrasions. Fishing with such lines is like playing with fire. There is a chance of getting burnt or in this case line snapping (reason why the pros always recommend that we cut off the few meters of line after a trip or after battling fishes around logs, stumps, and stones).
D.
Lines killed by heat. The sun and heat are far from friends of any lines (braided takes heat and sun better). The sun and heat (keeping equipment in car boot or cabin while parked under the sun) weakens lines. Best not to keep your equipment in your car. I've done this before as well a long long time ago. Rods tak tahan, lines tak tahan, tackle box also cracked. I've seen rods left in cars these days.
These are some of the factors that could cause lines to snap while the lure is being cast. Something must stop the free flow of line from the spool to cause the line to snap and it could be line digging into lines or something snagging the line at the spool.
Tips:
When line is snagged, do not use rod and reel to free the line use cloth, loosen the line, wrap a few loops of line around your hands and pull with your hands. With braided lines it can be dangerous so instead of using cloth, loop the line around your belt (the extra part that is not used) and pull with your belt. If you don't wear a belt use some thing else that will allow you to free your line safely. The last resort is to cut your line. If you've managed to safe your line... inspect the line for damages.
Discard the few meters of line especially areas than have been weakened by abrasion. Fresh lines are always a safe bet.
Don't keep it in your car.
And lastly... keep equipment away from pets.... hehehe. We've got cases of Berkley Gulp Softbait eaten by cats and snakes and lines used as dental floss and claw sharpeners by cats.
Fish & Fish yet catch & release.
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Mike
Advanced Member (Temoleh Level)
Malaysia
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Posted - 08/27/2009 : 15:54:37
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You guys must be the lucky none smokers. 5 loops round my disposable cricket lighter, and I don't have to look like I am doing a strip tease next to the waterside by trying to wind the line around my waist and pulling.
Also please try not to cut your line - the line you leave in the water is going to cause some aggro to somebody sooner or later.
Coming back to Spider Wire - have been using it for more than 2 years on my reels - reverse the line when it gets a bit tired. So far, good luck is on my side. No problems. |
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philmuscle
Advanced Member (Temoleh Level)
Malaysia
2926 Posts |
Posted - 08/27/2009 : 16:06:03
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Originally posted by Mike
You guys must be the lucky none smokers. 5 loops round my disposable cricket lighter, and I don't have to look like I am doing a strip tease next to the waterside by trying to wind the line around my waist and pulling.
Also please try not to cut your line - the line you leave in the water is going to cause some aggro to somebody sooner or later.
Coming back to Spider Wire - have been using it for more than 2 years on my reels - reverse the line when it gets a bit tired. So far, good luck is on my side. No problems.
Strip tease....hahaha... I know what you mean... but don't do that with braids especially heavy ones. Oouuchhh...
Fish & Fish yet catch & release.
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FiR3 TiG3R
Moderator
Malaysia
4972 Posts |
Posted - 08/28/2009 : 00:51:54
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quote:
Originally posted by philmuscle
Just some knowledge for all especially newbies on why sometimes the line snaps while the lure is mid-air.
This happens to many anglers especially if one has fished long enough. The reason for lines breaking in such fashion could be due to a few reasons.
A.
This I've done in my earlier fishing days and do see many anglers still practicing till today. When the lure/bait gets snagged and the angler does not have a lure retriever (a must have to save snagged lures at least 80% of the time) he or she sometimes pull hard using the rod and reel to free the snagged bait or break the line.
What happens is that it takes some effort and pressure before the bait (hook) comes free or line burst. During this time the lines in the spool actually digs into the rest of the line in the spool and in the process damaging the first few layer of lines (braided lines do cut).
Subsequent cast after the incident could cause the line to snap in mid air. The lure is suppose to fly through the air carrying free flowing meters and meters of lines. The reason for it to snap is when this free flow is suddenly stopped for a few tents of a second creating extra pressure on already weakened lines.
B.
Another reason is due to fighting a fish especially a big one. The angler has to ensure constant pressure on the fish and sometimes this pressure weakens the lines (especially when the drag is locked almost dead). This causes the same problems as in A.
C.
Abrasion will weakened lines no mater what type or brand. Even steel lines will succumb to abrasions. There is always a good chance of line snapping due to abrasions. Fishing with such lines is like playing with fire. There is a chance of getting burnt or in this case line snapping (reason why the pros always recommend that we cut off the few meters of line after a trip or after battling fishes around logs, stumps, and stones).
D.
Lines killed by heat. The sun and heat are far from friends of any lines (braided takes heat and sun better). The sun and heat (keeping equipment in car boot or cabin while parked under the sun) weakens lines. Best not to keep your equipment in your car. I've done this before as well a long long time ago. Rods tak tahan, lines tak tahan, tackle box also cracked. I've seen rods left in cars these days.
These are some of the factors that could cause lines to snap while the lure is being cast. Something must stop the free flow of line from the spool to cause the line to snap and it could be line digging into lines or something snagging the line at the spool.
Tips:
When line is snagged, do not use rod and reel to free the line use cloth, loosen the line, wrap a few loops of line around your hands and pull with your hands. With braided lines it can be dangerous so instead of using cloth, loop the line around your belt (the extra part that is not used) and pull with your belt. If you don't wear a belt use some thing else that will allow you to free your line safely. The last resort is to cut your line. If you've managed to safe your line... inspect the line for damages.
Discard the few meters of line especially areas than have been weakened by abrasion. Fresh lines are always a safe bet.
Don't keep it in your car.
And lastly... keep equipment away from pets.... hehehe. We've got cases of Berkley Gulp Softbait eaten by cats and snakes and lines used as dental floss and claw sharpeners by cats.
Fish & Fish yet catch & release.
on lines snapping on the cast or when fighting fish, hereare few more things to consider, which are often overlooked.
these are more prominent when using lighter poundage braids
u forgot to add wind knots...when wind knots form on the line, sometimes i give it a tug and it disappears. the point of formation of the knot and the process of tugging/disentangling the knot may fray the line....and thus snap halfway when fighting or casting.
sometimes when casting light lures with 2,4 or 6lb braids...they may wrap around ur guides on the cast....this also weakens the line at the affected portion....
when kena charbeehoon while baitcasting, there would be a jerk on the cast. the loop what stops the line from shooting out may have damaged the line. that is a potential weak point.
http://longkanggang.blogspot.com/
WAR: it's not about who's RIGHT, it's about who's LEFT |
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FiR3 TiG3R
Moderator
Malaysia
4972 Posts |
Posted - 08/28/2009 : 01:58:53
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Originally posted by badbuddyz
Bro LOTM n others,
just something to share, for the past 2-3 years back, i used to tie FG knot from my braided main line to my shock leader (FC or Mono). then i realised that FG knot is not really reliable as we have to check the knot after half day of cast, sometimes even with a very neat n strong FG, it still can be slipped from the leader. and a lot of braided line to be cut during the process of tying the FG.
then i found out in JapanTackle (courtesy of Master Ben Foo n Master Faiz Karim) for showing me on hand how to tie) - SIG knot (which Bimini knot + FG) which is very good n it doesnt need to cut the braided line.
http://www.japantackle.com/Topics/Bimini%20twist.htm
http://www.japantackle.com/Topics/sig_knot.htm
this is a simple ones to share, i hope LOTM, u can learn to tie SIG based on the figures in the website. we can also improvise the knot to make it smaller with 'figure 8 knot' and reverse bimini knot. there are also a few good hints n tips in the website to look at.
cheers...
   
thanx for the link. have used the SIG before. the sig knot is very strong and reliable, but cannot cast as good as the FG knot in my opinion. i shall present my arguments within the confinements of ultralight to light-medium casting.
in the SIG knot, the knot (grandma or figure 8)formed by the leader itself is a hindrance to casting.
this is evident when the combination of a thick leader(say, 30lb leader and above), low poundage mainline(under 8lbs) and small single foot micro guides(less than size 5 fuji LSG).
if the above is observed and if the lure used is a heavier type e.g spoon/vibe/pencil, during the cast it may even damage the guides and may break the top section of the rod.
when making a powerful cast, the knot knocks at the small guides(makes the common 'chk' click) and may cause a backlash/wind knot, may snap the line and detach the inner ring of the guide. it may even break the guide, break the top section of the rod, and lastly lose the lure. of course, the rod that i'm referring to here is an ultralight rod/trout rod. have a look at the ABU Rocksweeper 2-5lb and you'll know what i mean.
the FG, when properly tied, does not do ANY the above.
when i say properly tied means u have to take into consideration:
1. the mainline diameter
2. the leader diameter; thicker leader=more substance for the braid to clinch on thus reducing slip
3. the leader material/composition; FC, co-polymer/hybrid, pure nylon etc. FC is stiffer than nylon, and nylon is more supple/soft/shock-absorbing. when pre-tentionsing the FG in the 1st part of the knot, extra care has to be given to which type of leader material u are using so that the braid wraps are 'biting' onto the leader properly.
4. the number of wraps of braid on the leader:
-thru trial & error, and factors 1-3 as listed above, there is an optimum number of wraps of braid on the leader.
-putting too many wraps will be useless as only a certain portion of braid will bit on the leader, and the excess will be a nuisance.
-excess wraps of 1st section of FG will increase resistance on the guides.
-after completing the 1st & 2nd portion of the FG, i will tighten both ends of the line/leader to the maximum.
-you'll notice that the 1st portion will give and now form a criss-cross pattern that bites down onto the leader.
-if u have too many wraps on the 1st section of the FG, u will notice that the initial wraps pf the 1st part do not have a firm hold of the leader, and will freely slide back down when rubbed with ur fingers(to simulate the resistance caused by the line guides on repeated casts)
-the slipped back portion will transfer this 'non-hold' wraps downwards the 1st part of the FG (which is securely biting on the leader), and loosen the tightened portion. thus the leader will slip even more on repeated casts and the FG will fail.
5. proper tensioning & wrapping pattern on the 1st part of the FG; u want the braid to bite more on the leader, and less on itself. so make sure every wrap on the leader is as similar as the next for uniformity so that each turn of the wrap gets a piece of the leader. when u tighten it down, each turn of the wrap gets an almost equal piece of hold on the leader.
-in SIG or GT knot, wraps are made X times one way up and then X times the other way down which MAY not have optimum contact with the leader and also MAY cause the braids to 'pile up' during tightening.
-in the FG, the 1st portion is done TURN BY TURN!
so, in all of my experience, when the FG is PROPERLY tied i.e not done in a hurry and obeying all the abovementioned factors, should not fail and has never failed on me thus far yet.
and oh, don't ever use the FG on fused lines.
well, this are from my own observations after tying the FG for almost 4yrs(?) now. just sharing what i know & understand of the FG, that's all.
and untill now i still don't know what the eff does FG stands for at all...some say Freakin' Great knot....some Fu**ing Good knot... anyone knows? hahahhahah
http://longkanggang.blogspot.com/
WAR: it's not about who's RIGHT, it's about who's LEFT |
Edited by - FiR3 TiG3R on 08/28/2009 02:13:17 |
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Sild
Moderator
Malaysia
5421 Posts |
Posted - 08/28/2009 : 13:08:22
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woi doc, no more H1N1 cases in Kedah ka....so bloody free nampak.
http://longkanggang.blogspot.com
U3-Team Orang Kampong
U4-Team Longkang (1st runner up)
MFN 07 Billfish Series (2nd,Group Categories)
U5-LKG Ribena Boys (2nd Runner up)
MFN 08 Billfish Challenge (Champion Team)
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acheong
Advanced Member (Temoleh Level)
Malaysia
389 Posts |
Posted - 08/28/2009 : 13:48:36
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spiderwire camo 20lbs for the first time since mid-August - held up to bad snags and rubbing against piling, toman running until the rod's bent 'U'.
it's true the line may/does weaken after pulling on it to release snagged lures/hooks. take a good look and cut off when in doubt.
when snagged, we wrapped the braid around a block of wood and pulled until one gave.
can't afford to be lazy.
thin, strong, sensitive |
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philmuscle
Advanced Member (Temoleh Level)
Malaysia
2926 Posts |
Posted - 08/28/2009 : 17:28:11
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FT bro.... you're right... Thanks bro.
Fish & Fish yet catch & release.
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ekwong
Advanced Member (Temoleh Level)
Malaysia
2796 Posts |
Posted - 08/30/2009 : 19:09:37
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LOTM,
next you may consider using Lucky Craft lures with its original hooks. The hooks are extremely sharp and if you snagged on some logs or others, pull hard enough and the hooks will give-way and you get your lure back without snapping your line. That according to Grand Uncle Latok Culky is the built-in safety.
note: if the hook give-way when fighting a big fish, you are just a lousy angler. That too, is by our generous Latok |
Edited by - ekwong on 08/31/2009 00:24:19 |
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FiR3 TiG3R
Moderator
Malaysia
4972 Posts |
Posted - 08/30/2009 : 21:05:23
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Originally posted by ekwong
LOTM,
next you may consider using Lucky Craft lures with its original hooks. The hooks are extremely sharp and if you snagged on some logs or others, pull hard enough and the hooks will give-way and you get your lure back without snapping your line. That according to Grand Uncle Latok Culky is the built-in safety.
note: if the hook give-way when fighting a big fish, you are just a lousy angler. That too by our generous Latok
actually there is very much truth in what latok's saying...
http://longkanggang.blogspot.com/
WAR: it's not about who's RIGHT, it's about who's LEFT |
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mrtoman
Advanced Member (Temoleh Level)
358 Posts |
Posted - 08/31/2009 : 14:53:17
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Originally posted by Sild
woi doc, no more H1N1 cases in Kedah ka....so bloody free nampak.
http://longkanggang.blogspot.com
U3-Team Orang Kampong
U4-Team Longkang (1st runner up)
MFN 07 Billfish Series (2nd,Group Categories)
U5-LKG Ribena Boys (2nd Runner up)
MFN 08 Billfish Challenge (Champion Team)
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Edited by - mrtoman on 08/31/2009 14:55:16 |
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vincent
Administrator
Malaysia
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Posted - 08/31/2009 : 20:48:03
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acheong..."thin, strong, sensitive"...sounds like a product I see sold in pharmacy and 7-11s.
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